Carol's Chickens

I have managed to identify the moth I saw in the chicken run recently.

Interesting moth

I googled it and it is a scarlet tiger moth. They are seen in June and July in Southern Britain. They fly in sunshine and are active during the day and night. All these things fit perfectly.

I also looked up their caterpillars and they are black and yellow. We recognised them from the garden so further proof.

I also spotted two more mullein moth caterpillars.

The caterpillars have completely stripped the verbascum

They have annihilated our vebascum. We cut it down with the caterpillars attached and put it over our back fence onto the strip of woodland.

Note to Jenny. I always reply to every comment. I went back to my last post about these caterpillars to remind myself which moth they turn into and saw that my reply to you didn’t appear.

You are right that it is good to get a correct identification and it was the spot pattern that was the clue in the end. Sorry to hear that your most of your chicks may be boys but it’s good that you have homes for them.

It will probably turn out that I replied on the wrong post but never mind. As this is my blog I don’t mind talking directly on a post sometimes.

It’s definitely the time of year for wild life. We have spotted a little mouse in the garden quite frequently and have spotted the slow worms all grown up now. It is fun spotting new things and trying to identify them even if they are not always good for the garden as in the case of the caterpillars!

Yesterday I decided to switch the girls to opposite sides of the run. I separate the three sections then bribe the main flock into the bottom half of the chicks section with some sunflower seeds having closed the hatch. Then I opened the gate and herded the chicks to the other side then close the gate and open the hatch.

I put another water bottle on the chicks side plus their water dish and chick crumb dish. I left a water dish plus the water bottle on the other side and added the girls usual pellet dish.

The main flock were happy to have a different dust bath area and the metal table and wooden shelter to sit on plus the other perches. The chicks hung around the food and water dish at first but as the afternoon wore on they explored the bottom of the run. They perched on the log and the bottom rung of the ladder.

The girls looking at each other from the opposite sides of the run

The chicks are on the other side of the gate

The chicks venture on to the patio area

The chicks find the log

At the end of the day I used the same system to switch them back again and both lots seemed happy to be back on their own side once more. The main flock take no notice of the chicks and visa versa. I am hoping that this integration should be easy as both sides are used to each other and their has been no interest through the wire at all.

I think we will soon be ready for the next stage but I want the chicks to be familiar with the entire run before mixing them. So far it’s been going really smoothly.

I went out at about ten o’clock last night and put the chicks on the perch.

I put the chicks on the perch late evening

By morning only Sienna (in the middle) was still on the perch

I closed the lid quickly to see if they would stay put. I then opened it a little to take a peak and Sienna was still on the perch but the other two had moved back down in the box.

I waited a few minutes and took another peek. Sienna was still on the perch. I wondered if she would still be there in the morning.

I went out just after five o’clock this morning and instead of opening the ramp to the chicks coop I lifted the lid a little and had a peek. Sienna was still on the perch.

Hurrah! It’s a start. I hope that the others will follow her. I will try again tonight. I feel like we are getting somewhere a bit at a time.

Amy commented that perhaps the bamboo is too slippery for the chicks to grip as a night time perch and maybe that’s why they are reluctant to perch at night. Sometimes it just needs someone to point something out to you and then it seems obvious. Thank you Amy.

Today I went to the pound shop for another broom handle. This is what the perches are on the wooden shelter and the chicks like to perch on those. I cut it down to size and sanded the cut end. Luckily it just fit through the slots in the trough. It was a really tight fit and I had to force it through which is really good because it needs no wire and is really secure. It looks much more fit for purpose and much neater too.

The box has a new perch and fresh shavings

I intend to go out tonight and see if I can get them to perch on it.

Yesterday I closed the gate and the wire at the far end of the run so that this half of the run is now closed to the main flock. I then opened the hatch and shooed the chicks through to the other part of the run.

The chicks venture out into the bigger part of the run

They didn’t get any further than this before they ran back in. I decided to leave the hatch open and let them discover it in their own time.

I went out at five o’clock this morning as usual to let them out then returned to bed. I returned at half past seven and was surprised to be greeted by both flocks at the bottom of the run. Well done chicks!

I was surprised to see the chicks at the bottom of the run

Blue is looking out at the garden

She seems mesmerised

It has been good to see them in both parts of the run today. Their world is gradually getting bigger. Over the weekend I may switch the flocks to opposite sides to get the chicks familiar with the entire run. I feel they are ready to venture further to get them ready for eventual integration. They have come a long way already.

Yesterday I spotted a pretty moth in the chicks part of the run by the hatch. I hadn’t seen one like this before.

Interesting moth

The chicks are letting me get closer to them now

The chicks don’t run off now when I am around them. I think that now they have more space and they  have realised that I am not out to grab them they are more relaxed around me.

Dandelion dust bathing in a patch of sun

Dandelion loves a dust bath in the sun. She is my little sun worshipper. Whereas Emerald will sit in a patch of shade Dandelion will always choose the sun. Dandelion hasn’t laid an egg for a week now and I just hope she continues not to lay. Freckles hasn’t laid for two weeks. Cinnamon continues to be the only girl laying.

Emerald and Speckles are both moulting. Emerald is showing her age and spends a lot of time sitting and snoozing. When I go out to let the chicks out around five each morning Emerald will take her time coming out and is now always last out. She seems fine in herself though and is just naturally slowing down.

My next move is to open up the rest of the chicks half of the run and try to encourage them out into a bigger space. Watch this space.

I am surprised that this is proving so difficult because the chicks now love to perch during the day. They use the perch by the hatch and both perches in the wooden shelter. They are often hanging out together on one of the perches.

At bedtime they squeeze into the box behind the perch. They now look quite big in this space. Last night I went out late to them when they were asleep. I picked each of them up and put them on the perch. I actually managed to get a photo of all three on the perch for the first time. As soon as I had taken the photo they all jumped down and resumed their usual position. Sigh!

The chicks usually sleep in this position

This is how I would like them to sleep

I am finding that the chicks don’t like changing their habits. From when we first got them they were dust bathing in the pine shavings. I thought that once they had their own part of the run that they would start to dust bath in the dust! No, they don’t. They return to the little coop and dust bath in the shavings.

You are supposed to start them on growers pellets at around three months old. I mixed growers pellets with chick crumb to get them used to the pellets. After a week of this I decided to take the crumb away and just give pellets. They would flick the pellets out of the dish and push them around but were not eating them. I eventually gave up and added chick crumb back to the dish and all three heads went in the dish as if they were starving.

They like to sleep in a heap and despite perching during the day they do not want to perch at night.

They seem to be so entrenched in their habits that they are reluctant to change. I will just have to be patient and hope they get the hang of all these things eventually. They are funny little characters!

Dandelion is continuing to do okay however I am aware that it may just be a reprieve for her. If she didn’t lay until next spring she would have a good chance of healing but if like Rusty she lays again in the near future I know that there is a good chance that she would prolapse again.

We can only wait and see what the outcome will be for her but for the moment we are getting to keep her for a bit longer and must make the most of that.

Dandelion yesterday

She wasn’t too keen on me following her around and trying to get a photo of her bottom but it looks so much better.

The chicks are really into perching now and hang out together on one or other of the perches.

The chicks perching in the shelter

I thought the chicks might be ready to perch at bedtime so I went in about an hour after they had gone to bed. I lifted all three on to the perch but by the time I had picked up my camera one had jumped down again. I did this several times and then gave up as they all settled back in the box again.

The problem is that they are still awake long after they have gone in and are cheeping to each other. I need to go out late at night when they are asleep to have any chance of them staying on the perch. The other thing that might help is to try to get them used to the perch during the day. This is going to be a work in progress.

The chicks at bedtime

And now on to the title of this post. I have never changed a name before. I like to name all my girls as a description of their colour. I named Lemon for her lemon coloured head, she is on the right of this photo.

As she has grown she has completely changed in colour. She no longer has any lemon colour and is rust/gold in colour. It’s a bit like ducklings starting out yellow and completely changing as they grow up and as I have never had seramas as young as this before I didn’t realise how much their colour would change.

Lemon no longer suits her and I have decided to change her name to suit her colour. We have had a lot of gold colour girls and so I have already used a lot of the names that describe this colour and it’s getting more difficult to come up with new names.

In no particular order I drew up the following short list:

Brandy, Ginger, Peanut, Biscuit, Copper, Chestnut, Bronze, Russet, Sienna, Saffron, and Hazel.

My final choice is Sienna. My newest, three amigos, are Blue, Jasmine and Sienna. There is a first time for everything and we are now getting used to her new name. I think it suits her much better.

Last night Dandelion put herself to bed early so I brought her indoors and cleaned her up. I put her prolapse back in with honey once more and then returned her to her roost spot. I hoped that if she did little or no poop overnight the prolapse would stay in.

This morning I was pleased to see one poop under her roost spot, the prolapse still inside and no mucky bottom. She seemed better in herself today too. Later I saw her poop properly and the prolapse did pop out a bit but remained clean. I decided to see if she could pull it back in herself. I checked on her a little later and was really pleased to see that the prolapse was back inside and her vent was clean. This was really good news.

I hope that she will now take a break from laying and will have a chance to heal. I worry that if she lays another egg she will be back to square one again but I am hoping that the stress of the prolapse will cause her to stop laying for a while and the longer the better.

The chicks are now using the perches in their part of the run so I am going to start training them to perch at night.

The chicks have found the perch

I decided that it was now time to remove the dog crate. I have put the water bottle on the gate to their part of the run and have set up a feeding station for them. I put a paving slab in between the metal table and the shelter and put their food dish and water dish there.

The chicks new set up

It didn’t take the chicks long to find the new position of the dishes and the water bottle. They hardly seem to notice that the dog crate had gone.

We have had the chicks for a month this weekend so they are about three months old now. I say about three months, because I think that Jasmine may be a week or two younger than the other two, as she has always been the smallest.

They have grown so much in the last month that it is now difficult to imagine them living in the hamster cage.

The rest of the flock take no notice of the chicks at all. I am hoping that integration should be easier as they main flock are so used to their presence. Time will tell on that one though.

Last night once all the girls were in the chicken shed and the automatic door had closed I placed Dandelion on her roost spot. I was surprised to find an egg in the cat box.

This morning she was last out of the shed and when I checked her she looked just the same as the day before .

Dandelion this morning not looking at all happy

It’s not looking good

I cleaned her up once more and pushed the prolapse back in this time with some honey. Honey is hydrophobic, a natural antibiotic and sticky which may hold the prolapse in. It worked last year with Rusty’s first prolapse.

By lunch time when I returned from my deliveries and checked on Dandelion she looked the same once more. I was so disappointed that the honey hadn’t kept the prolapse in.

I bought her inside and repeated the process of cleaning her and pushing the prolapse back in with honey.

When I next checked on her she looked even more miserable. I am now worried that she may be in pain and I know that I can’t let this go on much longer.

Dandelion looks in pain

Speckles was watching over her and keeping her company.

I had hoped that if she could keep the prolapse in she would stop laying and would have a chance to heal. Instead she looks so much worse in herself than yesterday. I can’t bare the thought of letting her go but I also I can’t bare the idea of her suffering.

I know that tomorrow I must make a decision based on how she is then. I only have a breakfast delivery tomorrow so as soon as I return I will make the decision and phone the vet for an appointment if  she is no better.

I am feeling very heavy hearted right now.

Cinnamon has now laid two eggs since her break but Dandelion has a problem. She laid her first egg after her break with no trouble. Two days later she sat in the nest box for a couple of hours and came out not having laid.

The next day we noticed that she had a mucky bottom. Last night at six o’clock I cleaned her bottom. I wear disposable gloves and use cotton wool pads in warm water so that it is soft for her. It was quite difficult to get her clean and as I was cleaning her I realised she had a prolapse. This was why she had a mucky bottom.

I recognised this from Rusty last year although Dandelion’s wasn’t as bad. It was too late to call the vet so I called first thing this morning and got an appointment in the afternoon. I cleaned her up again as best I could before taking her to the vet.

After what happened with Rusty last year I wasn’t too optimistic. I was gutted that I had nurtured her through a difficult winter and had thought her egg laying problem was fixed only to find this has happened. It seemed so unfair. I resolved that I would take her once to the vet to try to fix it but wouldn’t put her through what Rusty went through last year.

I have now lost faith in my original breeder and am so pleased that I have found a new breeder with a really good reputation. Most of the girls from my original breeder have had egg laying problems. First Rusty had a prolapse last year during her second summer of egg laying.

Dandelion laid soft shelled eggs all last year and now also has a prolapse during her second summer of laying. It is unusual for girls this young to prolapse. Apricot died suddenly overnight a few months ago, also her second summer. Freckles who laid well for two years has recently laid soft shelled eggs on her third summer of egg laying.

So far all the girls have had a problem except Cinnamon (don’t jinx this!). I feel that’s a lot of bad luck and it seems that there is a weakness with egg laying from this breeder’s birds plus the fact that he hasn’t been able to hatch any himself this year. It has put me off and I will now get all future girls from my new lady.

I took Dandelion to the vet and explained to him about all the egg laying problems last year and this year. He then lifted Dandelion up to exam her vent and she had manged to get the prolapse back in. This was good news. As we watched she was pushing it out when she exerted herself or strained but was able to pull it back in when she relaxed. He said this was a very mild case of prolapse.

The vet suggested I kept Dandelion in the cat box for the rest of the day with water but no food. This would stop her needing to poop so much and while she wouldn’t be straining it would give everything a chance to settle down.

He examined her thoroughly and said she was in really good condition. He listened to her heart, felt her crop (which was full), felt her bone structure and checked her feathers. He said he was happy with her. I was relieved.

It seemed a bit harsh leaving Dandelion without food but if it will help her get better it will be worth it. I intend to put her on her roost spot at bedtime. Last night she slept in the shavings under her roost spot so she must have been feeling really poorly.

Dandelion in the cat box

She was not at all happy to be confined in here and with no food either. I was writing this post at six o’clock and could see her in the cat box in our bathroom. She suddenly made a bid for an escape and tried to force her head through the grill of the cat box while flapping her wings madly.

This was too distressing. I took her out and she was pushing the prolapse out again. I cleaned her again and gently pushed it back in with a finger like the vet had shown me. I then used a syringe to put some water in her beak as I hadn’t seen her go to the water.

I then covered the cat box with a towel. I have read that if you put them in darkness they will sleep as if it’s night time. I am hoping that this time plus overnight will be enough to help the prolapse settle back in. Once again only time will tell.